Over the last couple of blogs I’ve written about preventing fire and flooding in rental property. Now I’m doing a short series on spotting problems when buying.
Most property investors and even some developers are so focussed on the ‘business’ side of ‘property business’ they can be surprisingly ignorant about the ‘property’ side – what it is they are actually buying – the building itself. An equivalent is a car dealer who knows nothing about the engineering or mechanics of a car. It’s perfectly possible to run a car business this way, but leaves you at the mercy of professional mechanics and assessors. In the same way, not knowing about the building leaves you at the mercy of builders and surveyors. A caveat here – a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, many of my most difficult clients are keen DIYers who look over my shoulder and question every move. Yes you will be empowered to recognise and prevent bad practice when it happens. But if you find a good builder, trust him to know what he is doing and don’t attempt micro-management. The easiest clients either know next-to-nothing and assume I’m competent, or are property professionals who see I’m competent and leave me to it.
I’ll start at the top of the building and work down.
Roofs come in many forms, of which traditional pitched roofs are commonest and most reliable. Generally, the fewer things projecting through the roof, the better. Anything like a chimney or party wall that goes through the roof, essentially makes a great big hole, and we all know that holes in roofs aren’t a good idea. Other projections are dormer windows, Velux windows, parapet walls, and even other sections of roof, for instance where a gable-end joins a main-roof at 90 degrees. These form valleys at their intersections, usually lined with lead. Unfortunately lead corrodes with oxidation and acid-rain, causing leaks. In an ideal world we’d all view loft spaces in heavy rain, revealing any drips. When it’s dry check for suspicious grey vertical streaking caused by water running down the chimney in the loft, indicating leaking leadwork. Also look for yellow stains on the ceiling near chimneys or other projections through the roof. Staining can also be caused by leaking plumbing in the loft or an overflowing water tank.
The best pitched roof for a terrace of houses is a single roof over the lot, in line with the terrace. Unfortunately, in some towns such as Bristol where I live, we are cursed with many ‘gulley roofs’. In these, in an apparent attempt to save timber, multiple short roofs were built across the line of a terrace, one over each house, with a lead gulley between. These always give trouble, and need expensively re-lining with GRP or lead. Another form of gulley is where the parapet wall projects up beyond the roof, forming a channel in place of a gutter below roof level. These are also very prone to leaks and becoming blocked with leaves etc. Damp stains on party walls beneath gullies indicate leaks, as do stains on outside walls beneath parapets (although these can also be caused by penetrating damp, condensation, or even devious damp.
While you’re in the roof, check the condition of the sarking (underfelt) beneath the tiles/ slates. Old, cracking bituminous felt will need replacement with a modern micro-porous felt, which means taking all the tiles/ slates off first! A big job requiring scaffolding. Also inspect the timbers for excessive bowing under the weight of the roof. Most older houses (pre-building regs) were built with very undersize roof timbers and these can sag quite severely. A certain amount of sagging is not necessarily a problem if the roof is already 100 years old. However, when roofs are re-covered with tiles where there was slate, or re-tiled with modern concrete where there was terra-cotta, excessive deflection is likely. Tiles are much heavier than slate and concrete imitation terracotta tiles are much heavier then the real thing. I always put the original tiles back if I can. They’re usually good for another 100 years, and I think they look better too!
The same can’t always be said of slate, which can become soft and flaky with age. Inspecting from the inside where most of the flakiness occurs. A bit of surface deterioration is OK, but if they’re soft most of the way through they need replacement.
Galvanised slate nails lose their zinc-coating and become corroded as the slate moves about. Check the outside of the roof. If a few slates are missing or held on with tingles (little strips of lead or copper hooked underneath them) the nails may be on the way out.
Also inspect roof timbers in the loft. Is there evidence of rot or woodworm near damp areas? Particularly check around the chimney breast and any other projections, and at the eaves where it’s coldest and condensation accumulates. Live woodworm is indicated by little piles of sawdust around exit holes the beetles make to mate. Woodworm needs moisture and can be eradicated by thoroughly drying out the timber. Borax is a non-toxic-to-humans wood treatment.
Next week I’ll talk about other types of roof.





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What a great idea for a blog series!
Will be linking to these too:)
Kind Regards
Sharon
Leasehold Life
I’m glad it’s useful!
BW,
Rich
A little extra info:
Post-1990s houses should have lead trays continuing right through parapets and chimneys, preventing water in the masonry above from soaking into the walls below. Pre-1990s houses often don’t always have this. If the walls are wet, removing the parapet and roofing over is often the best solution. Alternatively lead can be dressed right over the parapet, or through it after removing the top portion. Sometimes a partial solution can be obtained by renewing the mortar in the joints between the capping slabs on the parapet. But complete removal is often the cheapest and best way forward.
I was looking over a block of ten flats for a friend yesterday and it made me think of this.
Hi Rich,
Stonking idea for a blog series and great first post. This series is clearly written for people like me and I will be following keenly.
I particularly like the way that you assume little/no knowledge of construction. Easy for me(!) but very difficult for someone like yourself who has been in the trade for a good while.
Best regards, David GW Bartlett
A point to add to the above excellent list – when viewing Victorian houses which still have the original fireplaces it is wise to check the ‘damper plate’ which is the flap above the fireplace that lets air in & out. If it is hard to push and sand starts to fall out then it is likely that it is weighed down with loose mortar that has washed down the chimney over the years and has blocked the passage of air. This can cause damp to penetrate through the brickwork and plaster into rooms and particularly the ceilings around chimney breasts.
There are two things to think about:-
1) the blockage needs clearing to vent the chimney and dry out the walls/ceilings
2) If really bad it could mean the chimney needs repointing and if the fireplace is to be used then the chimney really needs lining – add another £2-£3k to your budget for repointing chimney & relining. If chimney is not to be used then it is possible to cap it off but it still must be vented from below to stop the damp causing long term probs.
Jo
Good point Jo, thanks. I’ll probably nick it to add to another blog when I get to that bit. It also relates to the Devious Damp blog number 30, the one with Jackdaws in it!
BW,
Rich
feel free to use info as you think necessary Rich. I’m going to view another Victorian terrace any day now – one that hasn’t been touched for about 50 years – I may send you another snippet!
Jo
Thank you Rich,
Great and useful knowledge. Have a few flats and have never made that thorough kind of search of roofs before – but I will next time. I try to notice smells, damp patches, rotten window frames, settling cracks, state of kitchen and bathroom. I do 95% of repairs etc myself so I try to find something not too delapidated.
Please keep it up.
BW
Inga
Thanks for the compliment Inga. I’m glad it’s useful, it gives me an incentive to keep going!
BW,
Rich
You crafted a number of great points there. I did a research on the theme and noticed most people will concur with your blog. I wanted to get your Feed but it does not work. i will certainly keep struggling perhaps is actually a local issue. My kind regards, Cleopatra.
Hi Cleo I’m currently in Devon so can’t log in from this pooter but basically if you go to the tag cloud above and to the right, and click on RICH all my blogs should show up.
I’m not currently blogging as I ran out of material for the last series and I could have taken it various other ways but was afraid I’d end up doing something mediocre. To me no blog is better than a mediocre blog.
I would be happy to answer any questions you have on these pages if you send them as replies to the blog.
Oh looks like it logged me in from my website address! Gr8!
nice blog Richard, hopefully when you’ve added more i’ll be that little bit more clued up when viewing my next investment, thank you!
Jase (PT)
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